"Non-Human Remains”: U.S. Congress Hears Testimony from Credible Witnesses in 2023 UFO Hearing 

Alongside Grusch were two other witnesses: Lt. Ryan Graves, a former F-18 pilot and currently the Executive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace, and retired Navy Commander David Fravor, who was present for what he called “the most credible UFO sighting in history,” what is frequently known as the “Tic Tac Event,” due to the shape of the apparent craft involved.

Following the sometimes-byzantine procedures of a House committee hearing, the three witnesses gave statements as to what had brought them to that point, and then answered questions from members of the committee, including representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Tim Burchett, Anna Paulina Luna, Matt Gaetz, Jamie Raskin, and others. The full hearing was over two hours long.

So, what did we learn? Here are some of the high points of the hearing, and what we know about UAPs and the possibility of alien encounters now that it’s over:

Chairman Glenn Grothman reminisced about a book on UFOs he had as a kid, and said that, “When I was younger, I thought it was the most important issue out there.”

“We’re not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing,” representative Tim Burchett of Tennessee said, with several representatives emphasizing that the hearings concerned “a pressing demand for government transparency and accountability that cannot be overlooked,” as chairman Grothman put it.

“68% of Americans believe that the government is hiding information about UAPs,” said representative Anna Paulina Luna of Florida. “It is unacceptable to continue to gaslight Americans into thinking that this is not happening.”

They also agreed that the powers that be need to “eliminate the stigma” associated with reporting these kinds of sightings.

Graves explained that the UAP he encountered, which was a “dark gray or black cube inside of a clear sphere,” was also a common description provided by many different pilots over a period of “almost 8 years.”

Fravor, meanwhile, described in detail his own encounter with the “Tic Tac craft” in 2004. “The technology that we faced was far superior to anything we had,” he said.

The starkest moment came near the end of the hearing, as representative Andy Ogles of Tennessee put a series of yes or no questions to the three witnesses. “Is there any indication that these UAPs could essentially be collecting reconnaissance information?” he asked. “Is it possible that these UAPs are testing for vulnerabilities in our current systems?” Do these UAPs “provide an existential threat to the United States?”

To all of these questions and others like them, the witnesses either answered in the affirmative, or stated that they didn’t know.

Despite these claims, in answer to virtually any and every request for specifics, he stated that he was unable to provide that information in a public setting, suggesting that he would do so in a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

However, according to statements made after the hearing by the director of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), a department of the Office of the Secretary of Defense that investigates UAPs, Grusch has “refused to speak with AARO” and so far no confidential briefings—in SCIFs or elsewhere—are known to have taken place.

“Anyone been murdered that you know of?” he continued. To which Grusch replied, “I have to be careful asking that question,” and then said that he directed anyone with that knowledge “to the appropriate authorities.” 

“By UAPs, or by people within the federal government?” Burlison asked.

“Both,” was Grusch’s reply.

“I don’t like to denote origin,” he said, “it keeps the aperture open.”

Besides the possession of crafts and “biologics” of non-human origin, Grusch described—albeit in vague terms—a long-term government project to “reverse-engineer” these craft, including unsanctioned advanced tech programs “above Congressional oversight” that were funded through misappropriation.

According to him, he had also been targeted in undisclosed ways since issuing his whistleblower complaint. “I call it administrative terrorism.”

Fravor detailed a very different experience, however, saying that he had actually been “treated very well” since coming forward with his story.

“That’s just my personal estimate.”

“If you were me,” representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez asked, “where would you look?” Then, “If you could just name anything.”

Despite a considerable lack of concrete evidence, the end result of the hearing seems to be a consensus that more investigation is needed.

“Either the United States has an adversary here in this world that we don’t know or we really have some serious investigations to do,” representative Nick Langworthy of New York said near the close of the hearing.

Whatever the results of those investigations, one thing is clear: There has never been another congressional hearing quite like this one. For better or worse, representative Burchett was correct when he said, “We made history today.”